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April 06, 2006

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Leah

Thanks Lady! I'm trying to keep it interesting over there! I'd love to get some good fights going, so feel free to come on over and jump into the fray.

C

Oh, how I wish I would have found this site about a month ago.

Lori

Hey C, Welcome!Leah's site is pure fun, PC's site is more hardcore.Bring your sense of humor! Cat has alot of info but so does Annie. Fire away!

A Proud Arbonne Consultant

Well WOW I didn't realize there was this site out there but it's good to know about.

I am an Arbonne Consultant of about 8 months now. I truly love it! Not only the business piece but the product has done wonders for my dry skin and acne.

I guess there are people out there (like mostly the ones on this site) that are pessimistic or do not have the drive or belief to be successful at a Network Direct Sales company.

My opinion of this site is a bunch of emotional opinions. I don't see much facts represented here about the formulas etc.

Me, my friends and family have all experienced the joy of using Arbonne products.

Arbonne International is not for everyone nor will it ever be for the product or the business side.

I do not think it is a scam at all. And this site is referring to a lot of "generalizations". My team, and a lot of other people in my NATION, didn't have to sign up with "pups" which is the RE9 Nutrimin C Anti-Aging set because they couldn't afford it. That is why people like me let them borrow them until they could. (There aren't many companies you can start up for $1-2k) Do the research, I'm an accountant and building my business on the side. I research starting an accounting home-based business and it would of cost me around $20k to start it.

This business is about educating consumers on toxin-free products, helping others and developing personally. If you were truly up to the challenge you would've experienced this by now.

Not all teams are ran the same way. I feel I have a very honest team. At our meetings, we are very upfront that it takes self-sacrifice, hardwork and a small initial investment upfront and that it is NOT for everyone.

Sure I see how other consultants are unethical and lie but how is that different then the 'Corporate World'. I can tell you that working for American Express that they are structured as a TEAM as well as a lot of other companies. AND guess who gets paid the most? Yep, you got it...the person at the top. That's life.

That's all I have to say about that...

Have a Blessed Life :-)

JJ

Isn't it amazing how all ARbots sound exactly alike and use the same kind of twisted logic when defending this pyramid scam known as Arbonne!! Can anyone say.....CULT!!

Another Proud Arbonne Consultant

I'm a friend and business partner with the above Proud Arbonne Consultant and you are very misled. What would be the motive of a person who would host a website of this type? Could it be that you are a competitor of ours? You definitely have a lot of time on your hands. So do I thanks to Arbonne's time and financial freedom that we get by endorsing their awesome products! My thought on the cult comment is that you probably think that Christianity is a cult too. Clearly you are not a Christian with such misinformation coming out of you, and I will pray for your salvation. You need truth in your life and you'll feel better about whatever is bothering you.

With Love-One who knows Jesus is the way to Truth and that Arbonne is one of His blessings, to those who are investigating pray and see what answer you get.

JJ

Some real Truth for you and clearly you couldn't be further from the truth in your assessment of me. It is shameful that you would claim Arbonne as a blessing from God. That is heresy.

6But godliness with contentment is great gain. 7For we brought nothing into the world, and we can take nothing out of it. 8But if we have food and clothing, we will be content with that. 9People who want to get rich fall into temptation and a trap and into many foolish and harmful desires that plunge men into ruin and destruction. 10For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.

JJ

Matthew 6:24
"No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money.

JJ

Proverbs 13:11
Dishonest money dwindles away, but he who gathers money little by little makes it grow.

Proverbs 17:16
Of what use is money in the hand of a fool, since he has no desire to get wisdom?

Ecclesiastes 5:10
Whoever loves money never has money enough; whoever loves wealth is never satisfied with his income.

pinkcadillac

*sighs*

I *heart* JJ.
:)

To the Arbots: let's discuss this whole "blessing from God" thing, shall we?
In my experience, a true blessing from God has always been perfect and good; meaning it never caused other people harm, nor was it dependent on others.
SO many MLMs go out of business each year, because they get sued, etc, & lots of former MLM reps probably felt the same way: their MLM is manna from heaven! God's ticket out of this drudgery of work!

Well, seeing as how God says working a job is a GOOD thing, that whole argument smacks of human greed and selfishness.

JJ

For those of you who will accuse me of acting un-Chistianlike. The scripture below is a great example of the nature of Christ.

13When it was almost time for the Jewish Passover, Jesus went up to Jerusalem. 14In the temple courts he found men selling cattle, sheep and doves, and others sitting at tables exchanging money. 15So he made a whip out of cords, and drove all from the temple area, both sheep and cattle; he scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables. 16To those who sold doves he said, "Get these out of here! How dare you turn my Father's house into a market!"

That is my Jesus, isn't He AWESOME?

pinkcadillac

Yeah, I love that passage. *more happy sighing*
I like to daydream about making a bullwhip and trashing Mary Kay headquarters with it...sick? perhaps.
hee hee

wifeintoarbonne

My wife is a massage therapist and has been one for 10 years. She works at a spa in an affluent section of town. She knows her trade, which means knowing lotions and skin care products.

She was recently convinced to pay the $30.00 "entry fee" and became an arbonne consultant. She likes the arbonne products for herself and her clients, and considers them to be of high quality. By paying the $30.00 she is able to buy all the arbonne products at wholesale prices.

By becoming a consultant, her strategy is to: (1) sell the arbonne products to her clients at retail prices at the spa, and make a little money, and (2) encourage her clients and ANYONE ELSE to become an arbonne consultant and "sell under her."

When she told me about her two pronged arbonne strategy I responded with the requisite spousal support tempered by health skepticism. So I asked her how much money she spent to "get into" arbonne, fearing she had to buy some starter kit for two thousand dollars. She said it only cost $30.00 to become a consultant. Right on. "Quit worrying--be supportive" I told myself.

"She's not required to keep any inventory on hand, nor is she required to make minimum monthly purchases*1. Plus she can always send the product back within 45 days for a full refund! I need to relax." I told myself.

Selling the products at the spa to clients, and getting wholesale prices appears harmless. Right on. $30.00 well spent, right?

Well, the spa hosted an "arbonne night" last night. The people in my wife's "upline" came to the event and put on the hard sell. They're good folks, and they just want everyone to have a white mercedes. Good enough. One of them explained to me the following:
1. This is the ticket.
2. It's not a pyramid, it's a network
3. No really, it's not a pyramid, it's a spider web
3. My wife will be making $10,000.00 a month in just
a few months.
4. Husband-Wife teams make the most money.
5. The more people we (?!!) sign up the less product
we have to sell and the fewer events we have to do.

6. My wife (and her "team") has one month to
move x number of dollars of product. If she meets
that deadline, she'll
be a district rep, entitled to 8% of everything the
people "beneath" her sell; if she doesn't meet the
deadline, she'll have to move more product in the
next month to get bumped up to district rep.
district reps make roughly $1500.00 a month

6. After she becomes district rep, if she meets her
next deadline of moving even more product, she
can become an area manager, entitled to 14% of
everything the people "beneath" her sell. If she
misses the deadline, she'll have to sell more by the
next deadline to get bumped up. Area managers
make roughly $6500.00 a month.

7. The next step up is $10,000 a month and a white
mercedes!!!

8. Right now, as a consultant, she only gets 4% of the
take.

9. To get any paycheck / compensation / percent of
her team's take, she must spend $100.00 monthly
on product. Even the area managers making
$6500.00 must buy $100.00 of product a month.

My wife is a smart woman. She's a calm, soft spoken woman who has never done sales in her life. She's fallen for this arbonne dynamic hook line and sinker. She's asking me to sell the stuff at my place of employ. She's asking my friends and friends' wives to sell this stuff. SHE BOUGHT $800.00 OF ARBONNE PRODUCT TO KEEP IN HER SPA TO SELL TO CUSTOMERS WITHOUT TELLING ME.

Help!
Advice, help, templates for restraining orders are welcome.

NotASucker

I've just started out as an Arbonne consultant and started to do a little bit of looking around. This is because, I admit, I've been hearing so much about the positives and benefits of Arbonne, that I wanted to see what some people from the other point of view thought about it. Well, without trying to offend anyone, most of what I've read so far about the negatives has come from suckers. People who don't know how to stand up for themselves and just say "no" if they're not interested. I was not persuaded, convinced, beaten down, or pushed into buying anything at the first Arbonne party I attended. Nor was I pushed and connived into becoming a consultant. I tried the products, I thought they were great, I sought out a sponsor. I do not bully, persuade, convince, or push anyone into buying anything at my parties. Yes, I have spent money in order to buy samples, products, etc...you have to spend money to make money. But it hasn't been more than a few hundred dollars...I've been smart enough to take advantage of the consultant specials, and to realize that I don't personally need to own every single product! More so, I DO NOT push people into joining Arbonne as a consultant if they've heard what's it about and have said no. No means no. I do get pressure from my sponsor and team leaders to make the sales and recruit the people so I can move up in business, but that doesn't mean I'll do it. This company's number one claim for consultants is "everything on your own time," which is exactly what I'm doing. I'm a strong enough person to not let anyone push me into doing anything I don't want to do. So when they say everything on your own time, that's what I'm going to do (I'm perfectly happy with the $100 I instantly made from a party this weekend without getting commission from "team" members of my own). I'm not a Christian, I don't think Arbonne is a "gift from God", I don't think its a panacea for my financial woes, or that its products will save the world, and I don't want a Mercedes Benz. I'm smart enough to realize that everything takes work, and that no one thing is a final solution to everything. I have a brain of my own, I make my own decisions for what's good for me.

JJ

Without trying to offend anyone, if someone feels it necessary to claim that they are NotASucker it seems to me that they are trying to convince themselves of that more than anyone else!!

pinkcadillac

Yeah. NotASucker is definitely a huge sucker.
:P
You know how you can tell the stupid brainwashed ones right off the bat? When they immedietely start off with: "I was skeptical at first, but I now that starting a business takes hard work".
That's when you know they are operating on the last two scripted braincells they possess.

pinkcadillac

oops--meant "know" not "now" :P

Cassandra

ANY business takes hard work... I don't understand what you are trying to say with that statement PC. ?

pinkcadillac

You don't own your own business in MLM. You are a subcontractor/distributor, with little control.
But that's beside the point. The point is, EVERYONE in MLM has a scripted "i-Story", in which they say things like "I was skeptical at first, but now I am a believer". It's standard BS.

Cat

Wifeintoarbonne, My suggestion is to not be the negatice force here. First of all, your wife will probably seek advice from her upline.....Eeeek! Read up on MLM's and how they operate and then share what you discover in a way that lets your wife know that you respect her judgement, but you are curious about her opinions on the information you found. Ask your wife how her upline has proven to her everything they claim about Arbonne. If I had asked these questions I might have figured out that Arbonne has a hard time disclosing the facts....probably because there are so few of them.

So my comment for the 2 who gave the same tired song and dance about how Arbonne has changed their lives.....either you are lying or the 2 of you have embraced Arbonne's deceptive practices. I say you are lying because if you signed up 8 months ago you would be aware of the major problems Arbonne has had recently. You also wouldn't have posted what you posted because you would have been well aware that every Arbot throws up the same tired song and dance. I especially loved the part about not everyone having the drive blah, blah, blah. As my daughter would say "that's so yesterday". You both sound desperate. If business is so good, get to it. Maybe you wouldn't have as much time to spread your bullshit here.

NotASucker

Its funny how those who are bashing Arbonne and other companies on this website are only capable of a black or white point of view. If one likes Arbonne, he or she is BRAINWASHED! If one doesn't, he or she is saved or enlightened! No middle ground, huh? In your world, its not possible to have a healthy handle on making one's own decisions with some helpful guidance, also known as making an educated decision. It seems you are the ones who have scripted responses of calling people stupid and brainwashed. Try some new adjectives. By the way, I never said that I was a skeptic at first (yet another one of your "scripted" accusations, I'm guessing?)...go back and reread.
"Good and evil, right and wrong were invented for the ordinary average man, the inferior man, because he needs them."
So I guess, if you have to fit things into one of these two categories, go ahead...
Finally, please note that although many of the things I have said are contrary to other happy consultants, you have still bashed me. Which tells me you have an inconsistent views as to what you think makes these companies and their representatives bad.

JJ

"Good and evil, right and wrong were invented for the ordinary average man, the inferior man, because he needs them."

This speaks VOLUMES about your character!!

Is this society's answer for human beings? People who judge others' characters from blogs? No one so many like me see the world's demise as eminent...

Popsicle

Whe does everyone seem so emotionally involved in this thread? Why so angry?

Lori

Not a sucker... I would just like to ask if this is working out for you why are you looking around? If there are no issues what makes you want to see the other side? Just curious.

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