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August 23, 2006

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Some food for thought: can you all list the lies that you are refering too? And then after we get a good list, discuss why people fell for them?

After all, Paul Zane Pilsner uses network marketing, Robert Kiosakyi (author of Rich Dad, Poor Dad), Dr John Maxwell (noted best NY Time best selling author), Dr Srikimar (from Long Island University) and Dr. Charles King (Harvard Ph.D.) endore MLM, Jack Canfield (author of Chicken Soup)started his own MLM to sell his supplements and Reader Digest is very, very successful with Taste of Home Entertaining. So MLM is really a legit business model. I can bring up the Citigroup report from someone elses post too. And yes, all MLM's work by building a team and by selling product. The test for products is would you buy the product if you weren't selling it and does it have a fair market price for it's category. For instance, would you pay $65 for a Essential Bodywear under garment (featured as Oprah's favorite bra) or would you go to Victoria Secret? If you wouldn't pay for it at a store, then you certainly can't be selling it. Same for Arbonne eye cream.

I think this would make for some very spirited dialog. Anyone game?

And to new posters, this group really has done a lot of good for us by exposing people that were taking advantage of the system. Awareness is always better than ignorance and it's hard to believe that these problems existed, but it's true. I still believe that there are many more good people than bad and that crooks are hard to get rid of in any industry.

Krystina

The harsh tones are not necessary and Cat you are incorrect, I watched the Donald on David Letterman and it was just a few months ago. To constantly tell people that are successful and have not had bad experiences with Arbonne that they are ignorant and misquided and liars is so mean spirited. And I believe before Arbonne that everybody has the ability to achieve anything that they want, they have to do it and not quit and not let others influence them to take a different path because it didn't work for them.

You are the worst kind, you don't know me or my life story, but yet you will go ahead and judge me just because I chose Arbonne. Crazy.

Do what makes you happy I guess. For the people who actually come here for advice about Arbonne, be careful about people who put this much negative energy into it. Of course there will be those people who are out there that will cheat the system and cheat people, but they will not be in Arbonne for long, they are being investigated and their Arbonne rights are being pulled. With a company that is this large it is hard to manage, so you have to do it yourself. You have the right to sponsor shop and have the right to call the Arbonne to ask why is so and so making me put $2,500 down to start when it clearly says that I can start with only $29. Just like plastic surgery, you think you are getting the right Dr., but there are a lot of unethical Dr's out there as well, do your homework, know what you are signing up for no matter what it is.

If you are on a team that is unethical you CAN be moved from that team and if it is valid you will be moved with your entire successline staying together. For those who got burned, I am so sorry because you are missing out on something that is pretty awesome and it has nothing to do with money or your volume or who you are signing up or anything like that. It is about building those relationships and helping others succeed.

I did not get involved with Arbonne for money, I stay home with my three kids, my husband makes seven figures, we live a very nice life. Unfortunately there are many in my life that are not as fortunate and I thought if I got involved and learned everything that I could about this industry and company that I could grow a business and then help them grow a business as well and if they had it in them to stick with it, their lives would be forever changed and if I could do that for just one family it would have all been worth it. It's not about the stupid car, I have a beautiful car, it's about accomplishing somehting so huge something that only 2% of the population has done. I am in the 2% and I love that I did this and I did it because I did not quit. It has not been easy and I don't tell anybody that it has, I am very upfront with the new people who are in my organization, I tell them that odds are that you won't make it, but what if you do? It truly is up to you. If you are not at a good spot in your life you will attract the same kind of people that's a fact of life and if everybody is not in a good spot, guess what it doesn't work and people quit and get angry and blame each other when they had no business even starting. I have turned down several people, I am very selective, I am looking for people who are like me who want the best for others before they consider what they want for themselves. If I know somebody is going to fail before they start, I tell them that I don't believe this is the right time for them and then I explain why.

Not everybody can do this because a majority of the Country does not take responsibility for their actions, they get hurt, the want money...Americans expect things to be given to them, we don't work for it and then when we don't get what we want we complain to the World. I am sick of it and I don't want it in my life. Stop complaining and do something that will make a difference...what's your legacy?

I don't know any of the bad "Arbots" as you say, I really don't. Not one person is like what you are describing, I have heard of several teams doing exactly what you are saying, but I don't know them. I hope they get busted and are dealt with. We don't need them here or anywhere, it is horrible to take advantage of people in that way. I do feel bad that you were burned, I hate it actually, but that doesn't mean we all are that way. You are discriminating and it is not right, please be a little more fair.

Take Care

You, Krystina, are very wrong about unethical consultants being terminated, or as you say, have their "rights being pulled". And, as for being able to be transferred from an unethical team...hey, why aren't their "rights being pulled"? Why have to transfer, when, as you claim, unethical consultants have their "rights pulled"? By the way, what exactly does that mean? Can you elaborate on that for us? I am not alone in stating that we, collectively, know that those using unethical tactics (for several years I might add) are still going at it. In your defense, I think you are just saying what you've been told to say about all the above. On the other hand, we're happy you and your team are on the up and up. If you ever have the time, you should read each and every topic and post here for enlightenment on these people's experiences.

Eric Cooper

I don't like to cross post on here, but PLEASE Krystina, READ THE FOLLOWING:

I was just approached today at a children's sporting event by an Arbonite (who didn't know my past history) to get involved with Arbonne. Just to hear what method she used, I didn't at first reveal my history. She pushed used kits to try and a $2500 up front investment that I would make back in no time. So by no means is up front inventory pushing gone. She NEVER (in the 35 minutes she went on & on) mentioned a $29 min to get in. She also talked about how she would help me build a team and strategically place people to help everyone (tap rooting anyone?). She talked on and on about how people just need and want this opportunity and its not at all about the products, its about financial independence and the products are just the vehicle. And speaking of vehicle, how would I like to be driving a white mercedes in 4 - 6 months....Its about building a network of consumers that pay it forward for everyone. The whole thing makes me vomit. It is the same ol' crap I heard 15 months ago. So in my eyes, nothing has changed. All MLM's are the same pyramid scam with a different product or service, also know as the vehicle.

Posted by: reader | January 06, 2007 at 01:59 PM

Eric Cooper

I don't like to cross post on here, but PLEASE Krystina, READ THE FOLLOWING:

I was just approached today at a children's sporting event by an Arbonite (who didn't know my past history) to get involved with Arbonne. Just to hear what method she used, I didn't at first reveal my history. She pushed used kits to try and a $2500 up front investment that I would make back in no time. So by no means is up front inventory pushing gone. She NEVER (in the 35 minutes she went on & on) mentioned a $29 min to get in. She also talked about how she would help me build a team and strategically place people to help everyone (tap rooting anyone?). She talked on and on about how people just need and want this opportunity and its not at all about the products, its about financial independence and the products are just the vehicle. And speaking of vehicle, how would I like to be driving a white mercedes in 4 - 6 months....Its about building a network of consumers that pay it forward for everyone. The whole thing makes me vomit. It is the same ol' crap I heard 15 months ago. So in my eyes, nothing has changed. All MLM's are the same pyramid scam with a different product or service, also know as the vehicle.

Posted by: reader | January 06, 2007 at 01:59 PM

Krystina

The last post that mentioned me by Name (Eric), I suggest you call 1-800-Arbonne and report her instead of complain about. I would also take action to get your money back if you were told you had to have a certain amount to start. I hope you get every penny back or at the very least expose some people for what they are doing.

I am done posting here, you are very one sided and are not able to wrap your brain around the concept that people are successful and they go about it the right way.

First, you don't know me AND IF you did, you would know that I am NOT somebody that just repeats what I am told, I have never been that person, I am a very strong willed woman that is a leader not a follower.

The take the rights away comment was for lack of a better word, essentially Arbonne would terminate the relationship and it is happening because of everything that you folks are talking about, but I repeat that the majority of consultants are not like that. If more people would stop blogging about it and start reporting it we would see less and less of them. Do you think that I am happy that there are consultants out there trying to cheat the system and that are misleading new consultants?? Come on, it makes me angry because it gives us all a bad name. With any MLM you will have this because anybody can get into a MLM company anybody...a felon even...so if anybody can do it, you will have less than favorable people, but they don't last long because eventually their deception will catch up with them and they will implode. I know of several teams, one being Hawaii and one being a team in Indiana that better start turning things around because the heat is on them and they won't even see it coming. I lived in Hawaii for 7 years and when I saw all those girls rising to the top so quickly it almost make me cry because these are Hawaiian women and other minorities, I was so proud until I met a victim of theirs with one of my teams down in Florida, she told me what they were doing over there, she had to move to Florida and they dropped her and swore her to secretcy...she is a mess and it pisses me off because the poor thing is only 21 years old...the thing is that we adopted her on our team even though she isn't, we treat her and help her like she is and she couldn't be more thankful.

I am all for letting the truth out and talking about things like adults, but your words are below the belt towards me, you assume so many things about me without ever talking to me or even laying eyes on me.

What I am going to say again is that Arbonne is a wonderful company that has a lot of good spirited people that do incredible things with the income that they have been blessed with, I was able to buy 4 different families Christmas this year and each of the family had 4 or more children. My kids and I went out and took my entire month's check and spent every last dime on these families. My 7 year old daughter says, "mom you are great, I want to be like you when I grow up"...

They were so proud to be able to give these kids their presents, each child got 5 gifts each, there was a total of 18 kids that we bought for. This is why I am doing this. Pure and simple.

You asked:
Why have to transfer, when, as you claim, unethical consultants have their "rights pulled"? By the way, what exactly does that mean?

That means that if somebody violates the policies and procedures and is reported Arbonne will do an independent investigation and if they have been found guilty of the violation they could get their consultant ID terminated therefore they would not be considered a consultant anylonger. They clearly list all the possible different measures Arbonne can use. It is not tolerated like you say, it simply is not, but until somebody report it nothing is going to happen. The VP's just had a meeting over the summer about this and Arbonne is cracking down, they are watching certain people right now, I know this for a fact.

You ask:
You, Krystina, are very wrong about unethical consultants being terminated, or as you say, have their "rights being pulled". No, I am not, it is happening and it will continue to happen until they get rid of the ones that are cheating people and the system.

You asked:
And, as for being able to be transferred from an unethical team...hey, why aren't their "rights being pulled"? Why have to transfer, when, as you claim, unethical consultants have their "rights pulled"? -
If I was somebody that was unhappy because of my upline being unethical, I would have to file a claim against them and then that would get the ball rolling, Arbonne would do their own investigation at the end if they have found that I am right and should be moved, they would move me and everybody under me. What happens to the person above me is up to Arbonne, it depends on the violation and if they have been warned before. If they have not been warned before they would be put on probation and would be carefully monitored. But I of course would not want to be involved with that team anylonger, I would want to go where I know everything is on the up and up. It's not an easy thing to prove because you have to have a lot of people coming foward, but if nobody does what's the use of complaining about it?? It has to start with that one complaint because if an outsider complains that they were approached by somebody in the way the person said in the last post, Arbonne would take action...I'm not saying they would terminate them immediately, but they would have their eye on them until they had enough to terminate their contract.

Again, I am done posting here, like free@last posted earlier, you say you are postive people, but you still attack with such a negative tongue, I can understand your anger, but why blame everybody for what a few are doing? You keep saying that I am scripted and I even think that somebody said I was reading straight from a manual...incredible...really incredible. It's a shame that you don't know me because you would see how ridiculous that is. I investigate everything, my upline thought I was such a pain because I did double check everything that they said.

Hopefully you won't attack the next person that says that their experiences are good with Arbonne.

Take care and I hope everybody has a blessed and successful 2007

Krystina

Krystina Klucking.....
Where do I start?
7 figure income?
Good for you. If that's true, do you realize that's better than about 98% of all Americans? Also it would hold true that it's better than the income of 98% of the posters here.
Most of these people on here probably lost a $1000 or $2000. To them that's a month or 2 of salary, to you it's a new handbag and a pair or two of new shoes....not much else. Big difference.
Why on earth would someone with a million dollar plus yearly income ever even feel the need to get involved in this scam?
By the way, your first post you sure were quick to throw out terms like "quitter", "failure" and "loser"...
The people who quit weren't the losers, they won.
Just so you know, not everyone equates success in life to financial properity. The idea that once you are rich, you are successful is a joke.

You posted something to the effect that it has been proven you can change other people's brain activity just by the words you speak.....Are you proud of this?
Until now, I thought only Dictators and relegious zealots needed that power...
I will add Arbot to the list. You're in good company now.

You speak a lot of Arbonne terminations and transfers...is this before or after the Easter Bunny arrives?
Maybe you should go back and read the archives before you go spreading that junk around here. We know better. The next transfer, will be the first one ever.

Lastly, I'd like to congratulate you on Christmas gift giving...for those less fortunate.
I know of several families who had a lot less this year at Christmas....you know why???
Mom ran up a huge visa bill because her upline kept pushing her towards success....or as it turned out, just needed a new sucker that month to make the Benz payment.
I hope when people like you reach the gates, the Lord has only one question for you...
Krystina....do you really consider yourself a success in life because you're able to convince a single mom on a fixed $1500 a month income that she really needs to be spending $1200 a month on cosmos so she can be just like you?
Please close the door when you leave.


Eric Cooper

First of all, I did not have the problem that I re-posted, someone else did. I was only trying to prove to Krystina, that she has been seriously lied to about Arbonne.

Poor Krystina, doesnt read things through, believes EVERYTHING she hears and thinks that if she can just convince one or two others of this Arbonne delusion, everything will turn out all right. When it doesn't she will be back here, as another former Arbot cultist who found her way out of the Orange Fog

Wanderer

I note most people who make a valid and ethical point here do so concisely, without the need for excessive verbiage. Why the pontification, K? We heard you the first time. Sounds like someone needs to convince herself of her own validity...

CAT

Krystina, I may be wrong, but I bleieve this is the first time I've ever addressed you. Thank you for your posts here. You confirm so much of what I'm trying to bring to light by keeping this blog up. I know it's disorganized and it must be irritating to not see any new posts for months, but my point with this blog is to show the truth about Arbonne. The posters here do a great job of doing the research and posting it here so that others can be aware of consultants like you.

Christine Philippides

Hello......
First of all I want to say that I love America - isn't it great that we can speak our minds and thoughts for all who care to listen ?!?! The reality is that in politics, business, and life...there are in fact always two sides to every story !

1.The Arbonne reality which I have seen and experienced is that if anyone "loses their shirt" in this business, they are crazy !! It is VERY difficult to lose a lot of money in Arbonne. Of course you need to invest some.....tell me another business where you don't ! But, I happen to be part of an upline which is realistic in people's different situations and stresses being conservative and knowing you have the activity booked to support your investment.
Never once have I heard someone on my team say "you need to invest $XXX at the beginning to be successful in this business".

2. I also want to comment on the 'Bob Henry not deserving the Entrepreneur of the Year Award' which I read on your site.....did you happen to see the stiff competition the guy was up against ???? It is not like Ernst and Young decision process is this: "Bob is a nice guy - let's give it to him". Just being in the "inner circle" of nominees for this award says it all. I have been on Wall Street for 20 years and have been privy to how these awards are given and guess what - it is not subjective !! It comes down to numbers like: earnings growth, sales estimates vs. actual, community service and philanthropy, etc. etc AND the decision panel is made up of people from both the private and public sector as well as non-for-profits. There were hundreds and hundreds of nominees and Bob Henry stood among the likes of Starbucks and Google leaders - I mean give me a break !
3. The alergy hype you create on your site:
I have been in this business for one year (today is my anniversary and I am giving myself a big pat on the back and a virtual hug to my upline who is 3 states away!)and have had One (count that 1 !) alergic reaction to the RE9 product. I have news for you and your fellow Arbonne bashers - there are people everywhere who are alergic to just about anything - including spores in the air !!!
4. I get phone calls from customers who have purchased the Arbonne products with glowing results and a great big THANK YOU.
If Arbonne is such a scam - how can that be that I have received desperate phone calls when people are nearing the end of those "orange bottles" you say create a fog of groupthink.
5. Yes, that is right....Arbonne is not for everyone ! OK, I SAID IT !!! But it is for intelligent, positive, environmentally thoughtful, team-oriented human beings who
HAVE A DREAM and are not lost in the doldrums and negative place you choose to exist. Case in point....you note that 90% or some similar high percentage of support calls to Arbonne are negative complaints - HELLO what do you think the support line is for ???? Compare other "help desk" situations at other companies and you bet the negative cases will be high ! How often do people call any company's support line and say that they wanted to report a perfectly backed shipment, or that they received the products a day earlier than expected, or that they noticed the Arbonne site to be particularly speedy that day. Guess what - you are not going to get those calls in ANY company !!!
6. Well, I am off to make it a GREAT DAY as Arbonne has helped me to do. The personal development is yet another one of the perks which will stay with me for the rest of my life !!! Oh, by the way, did I mention the FREE trip I won to an exclusive spa including sumptuous meals ??? I will be heading out next weekend to share with my Arbonne colleagues how to continue enriching our lives and the lives of our teammembers and clients. and lastly, of course there are going to be disgruntled x-arbonne corporate employees and consultants......those that give up tend to do anything to justify their failure.
BYE, BYE

Eric Cooper

Hi Christine,
You know,it's amazing to me how many consultants, such as youself think that their experience negates all others. That is why many of us call the Arbonne life "living in the Orange Fog".

When enough people complain to a company and the company is made aware of a problem, then it is the company's responsibility to do something about the problem. If a company is getting 90 percent complaint calls that tells me that there must be something very wrong with that company.

The consistent position of the Arbonne management, while I was there was to ignore the complaints from the consultants. That is not a very nice way to treat the people out in the field, such as yourself, don't you agree?

The trip is not free, please don't lie to people about that. That is not very nice or ethical. The trip is earned by means of accumulating enough ASAP points which takes a lot of time and MONEY out of your own pocket, but of course you know that already.

If you have indeed read the posts about Ernst and Young, you are aware that the award was given to SEVEN executives here in Orange County, California
(not just to BH) and that similar awards were given to MANY other executives around the country.

"personal development, enriching, negativity, failure"...all rbot words. But, hey Christine, your trip WAS NOT FREE. You invested money (how much?? how many kits, samples, business supplies, other expenses) to WIN that trip! Ha!

Arbonne sucks

Poor Christine... soon she will realize!!! by the way she says she is been in the company for a year.. so she should be an ERVP right and be driving the f.. mercedes everyone says you win by making other people sell the products for you (cause that is the real truth))// are you an ERVP now??? i doubt it... otherwise proof it..

arbonne sucks

by the way Christine is allergy not "alergy" and you said you have had (count 1) allergic reaction to RE( ?????????? what's up with that... what is it???? explain yourself..

NOT SURE WHAT TO DO

Was approached recently to get involved with Arbonne. I don't see how you say no money up front. Anywhere from 1,000 on up to get started in the business. This is to purchase theirs kits at the price that everyone else purchases it for if you pay the $29.00. I understand you need to purchase product "to share", but that is a nice chunk to put up front and have no guarantee of geeting back. I have done home business before for another company and was never asked to put that much money up front for product.

NOT SURE WHAT TO DO

Was approached recently to get involved with Arbonne. I don't see how you say no money up front. Anywhere from 1,000 on up to get started in the business. This is to purchase theirs kits at the price that everyone else purchases it for if you pay the $29.00. I understand you need to purchase product "to share", but that is a nice chunk to put up front and have no guarantee of geeting back. I have done home business before for another company and was never asked to put that much money up front for product.

Lady Swisse, Viscountess DeePore

Not Sure,

Read the most recent post on the main page of this website called A Modest Proposal. That is pretty much the honest truth of this business. While it is possible to invest your $29.00 fee for your start up materials, that won't get you very far. Most consultants achieve their management status by encouraging new recruits to invest anywhere from 1000 to 3000 dollars in front-loaded inventory that they will never sell. Just buying some samples and catalogs will build your business in a more honest fashion, but you won't make much money, especially right away, and since there are so many others driving these fast track approaches, they will steal your recruits from under your nose with the promise of riches and a mercedes.

not sure what to do

Thanks for your response. The other thing I noticed was that they really dont care about the product, they seem to just care about getting your foundation and building built.

Pat

The whole boasting about Bob Henry winning the "Ernst & Young Entrepreneur Of The Year" had me curious, so I went to the Ernst & Young site (the horse's mouth so to speak) to find out about this award. These are direct from E & Y site.

First thing I noted is a description of the award itself:

In more than 125 cities in 40 countries worldwide, Ernst & Young presents its annual Entrepreneur Of The Year® (EOY) award to the most successful and innovative entrepreneurial business leaders around the globe.

Next I noted that people can be nominated and there are "regions" that each choose a "winner":

More than 200 winners were recognized at Ernst & Young Entrepreneur Of The Year® galas in 26 regions throughout the U.S. See the list below for the regional winners who were the contenders for the national Ernst & Young Entrepreneur Of The Year awards in Palm Springs in November.

Then I noted there are several CATEGORIES, Bob Young was chosen in one particular region for one specific field or expertise:

Robert Henry
2006 Manufacturing/Distribution Award Winner Orange County Region

My conclusion after reading the Ernst & Young site, Bob Henry was not THE winner of THE Ernst & Young Entrepreneur Of The Year, nor was Bob Young even the Manufacturing/Distribution Award Winner for the year.

He was winner in HIS area for Manufacturing/Distributing.

I think that really clarifies what is constantly referenced by Arbonne consultants about Bob Henry "winning Ernst & Young Entrepreneur Of The Year". The way it was expressed to me is certainly different than the what it really was.

Blanca

Wow, so many angry people. Everyone is entitled to his or her opinion about Arbonne or anything in life.
To the ladies who love there Arbonne business: Congratulations! I am one of them. Keep building a legacy. Be happy, and continue to help others. To those that take advantage of Arbonne's compensation plan: Just remember KARMA
And to those ladies who HATE, HATE, HATE, Arbonne and spend time writing negative thoughts on Arbonne: Again, you have the right to your own opinion. But stop being so angry. You are only hurting your souls.
Peace
P.S. And to those who respond in a negative way to my post: Blessings

Pat

"KARMA" to you to Blanca.

J

Make that "Karma" a double.

arbonne lover

It is true, don't be so angry about arbonne. it did not worked for you but it works for others including myself. So please take it easy. take care of you heart an soul. And let me ask you something. are u a staying home mother or do you work??? cause it looks like all you do is tobe in front of the computers,, come on . Breath and be happy and let others be happy...best wishes to you all...

MLMer

MLM is in fact a legitimate business model that frankly should be taught in business school. While I agree that many unethical people exist, you should never join anything that requires more than you are willing to give. It must be your own decision, every time. I read that companies like Coke, Pepsi, etc do not use MLM tactics, but in fact they do worse. These companies rely on commercials to recruit you the buyer. Would you really buy a Porsche, Mercedes or Hummer if you did not see it on a commercial or out on the street? This is their way to sell to you. It is how business is conducted. The "pyramid" theory is how EVERY business model is constructed. From the CEO on down. It was the model that our forefathers found the easiest to construct. Ethics are something that is very personal in nature. You must research every company before you buy into it as a consultant or as a consumer. I am a part of several "MLM" models and am very successful, NOT scripted in any way. I use my intelligence,and my common sense when helping new consultants. I do not pressure anyone to help me get ahead, so I do not violate any code of ethics, ever. I have 2 Masters Degrees in business and education, so I am no idiot. Not all is negative and there are negative parts to every business including the corporations previously mentioned. It is all about the advertising and your wn values.

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