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May 09, 2006

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Leah

Instead of an entrance fee, charge the newcomers all of their business aids. Then someone who has already terminated has to sit across from the Arbot registration table and sell the bus. aids to the Arbots (doesn't affect volume, so they might even buy). The funds from this will of course cover the cost of the meeting space and the dry ice/ smoke machine costs.

cindyloo

Where is the meeting? I love the Orange Fog metaphore. Leah, I am located in SE PA.

Leah

Cindyloo,

email me with your story and your upline. Maybe we can figure out if we're connected in any way. Just click on my name to go to my site (shameless plug) and you can email me from there.

ripped of reis

Hellooooooooooooooooooooooooooo may fellow victims. THANK GOD MY FRIEND NORTON GIRL FOUND YOU GUYS! WE REALLY THOUGHT WE WERE THE "LONELY" 2 DUMBASSES THAT WERE COMPLETELY SCAMMED BY THESE CULT MEMEBERS / LIFETIME FRIENDS ETC.. It is nice to know there are other intelligent people out there that were completely "dupped" by this scam of a network and company. A alarm should have gone off in my head after seeing the one and only "SIBLEY" doing a presentation wearing an outfit that looked like she raided Elvis's closest! Or the flashbacks (from 1989) that I did receive while staring at her hair thinking "I swear to god she used a botle of peroxide on her hair. This whole thing is completely discusting and illegal. There are 1000 of people out there who truly believe in this company and believe in this "gift". It is so sad. I was one of them. There are legal channels that I am sure nortongirl told you guys about. This must be done. I should have known what a scam this company and network was when all when all I heard was "white mercedes" this white mercedes that. Who cares about a car! Almost anyone can lease a mercedes with good credit or honest hard earned money. Then again the arbitches/arbots make money off our efforts and their good credit rating. When I think about all the gas traveling the the center ( a poor excuse of a training facilty with no airconditioning and seats that hurt your ass after listening to Sibley Presley rant and rave about being proactive in your wealth and health)trips to the local kinkos (printing complete bullshit and lies of quotes and information that are false to add to may "BUSINESS FOLDER") money spent on babysitting (for my 4 year old who started looking at me like I was crazy and under some hypnosis) wine and cheese (for those ridiculous powerpoint presentations held at my house and nortongirl's house quoting the "einstein" himslef Andy inman's puppy dog appraoch which compared skincare to a dog) time away from my husband (who truly started feeling jealous over the fact that I was spending hours a week on the phone with hundreds of people all over the country listening to "peroxide gammon" herself give financial freedom conference calls) dining out, time away from my other job (which I actually make $ when I work, not 102.00 every other month like I did from this "gift" of a company) I just want to SCREAM!!!!!!!!!!!!! It is so bad that when I see a white mercedes here in Atlanta I truly give the driver a dirty look. Help ladies and gentleman we have been truly scammed and we need to do something about it. There are people out there that will not recover financailly from this. This is wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NoPink4me4ever

Where are all these Arbots in Atlanta? I must really be out of the loop because I had never heard of it until a friend from Texas told me about it. I guess it pays not to live in a swim/tennis neighborhood?!

It's actually even been a long time since I've even been stalked by a Kaybot in the mall, and Southern Living at Home had been around for 3 years or so until I even knew anybody who had a party.

Where have I been? LOL!!! (but now that I know they're here, I'll be on the lookout--thanks for the heads up!)

NoPink4me4ever

annie, forgive me my terrible grammar by using even twice in the same sentence--I clicked on post much too rashly! ;-}

NoPink4me4ever

annie again...me, my....what the heck's wrong with me today? I'd better stop before I can't tell the difference between whose and who's! ;-}

annie frannie

I'll give you grace this time, LOL! Anything is better than the dude on Quatloos who uses an apostrophe any time he adds an s to a word. Wow, that still has me reeling!

norton_girl

Annie--funny how you can pay so much attention to the grammar but not the facts of this co.

annie frannie

It's a curse. LOL. Plus I am homeschooling 3rd graders, so it is in the forefront of my mind. Every day I am editing and correcting and teaching fresh little minds to use proper grammar.
the Arbonne thing is a small, occasional afterthought to my busy daily life.

norton_girl

I just wanted to let everyone know that Arbonne finally responded to my other 2 friends complaints w/BBB. They said that the BBB should look into us because we live within a 20 mile radius of each other, are in the same network, and have the same agenda. Yeah we do Arbonne to report scams!!!! They said that are allegations were wild and random. What?!? They need specifics--well we gave them Alice Salley's name & executive vice-pres. found out for himself that she charged 4 people but he did not see where that warranted buying her positon. Maybe I should send him some glasses so he can see. Furthermore, I would love nothing more than to have access to the cc system (maybe audit from the IRS) to prove all the "stacking" that is going on. Of course, if Arbonne is willing to ignore the facts & not have a system in place to "red flag" these acts...it's just going to get worse. Oh now I find out I should be checked out because I live close to my friends. Is this still a free country or have the arbots taken over?????

annie frannie

The reason they can say it doesn't prove anything is that not everyone has a credit card to pay for their purchases. I get checks all the time, which I cash, put in my account and then use my own debit card to pay for the transaction. I have done that for initial sign ups as well. Arbonne doesn't take checks, so if you don't have a credit or debit card, or are not comfortable using it, than the consultant uses her own. Many consultants have credit cards for this sole purpose, to keep it seperate. If they are dumb enough to pay on their own without getting the other money upfront, than that is stupid on their part, and against policy. Unfortunately, I can't see how it can be proven, unless the people paid for by this Alice person put it in writing that they never paid her for the transactions. It sounds like you are saying that happened. Proving it is another story.
Still not saying it is right, but you need more information factually backed up to prove your point. Burden of proof is on you in this country, for better or worse.

norton_girl

Annie--please refer to Aronne's policies & procedures manual section 2 #2.8, policy secton 5 #5.2, #5.3, #5.4, section 6 #6.4. Mr. Morck found out for himself when he looked up Alice Salley's cc after we brought it to his attention. Like I said I would love nothing more than to have access to the cc system so I/we could prove this but we don't. Therefore the burden of investigation of proof of these facts is Arbonne's responsibilities. Wake up Annie!!!! One other thing I am sure that after you read these policies & procedures you will adhere to them for now on. Finally, Arbonne accepts another form of payment via moneyorder so this is why they have these rules and no one should be charging anything on their cc's except their own personal orders. I do not understand how Arbonne can separate themselves from the foundation of basic rules that they have defined as their business ethic not to mention having a system setup to enforce these same rules. After all this is a multi-million dollar co.

Leah

Norton Girl, I would advise that you and your friends get all of your evidence and complaints out on paper and carefully prepare them prior to lodging complaints with the BBB. A poorly written complaint leaves too much room for argument, and also looks emotional rather than professional. Business organizations are more apt to respond to and investigate something written professionally rather than emotionally.

I'm not trying to insult you, but I did have a tough time following what you wrote in your complaint. I would even go as far as paying someone to professionally write the letter for you using your thoughts. I've actually made a little money this way, writing letters to HR and banks, etc. You shouldn't have a problem finding someone local to you to do the writing, as long as you have everything you want to say laid out.

norton_girl

Thanks for the advice Leah---fortunately we never have had to do anything like this so luckily the BBB gives you an opportunity in a separate document to lay it all out. Anyway the BBB is just a stepping stone for us. I honestly did not know I would get a response because I had never done this and the fact that I sent a leter w/details to Abonne's compliance dept. 6 times around Feb.3 with no response. It was only after I filed w/BBB, I got a response that very evening from Arbonne. This is all new to us so we are learning as we go along.

norton_girl

I hate to keep repeating myself but Arbonne was supplied w/the facts they just chose to make excuses for them so there's not much you can do if they are not willing to admit there's a problem. This is also the reason we have gone to other agencies w/complaints.

annie frannie

Interesting. I hve never gotten specific training about this. And I read the manual, but honestly, it all runs together after a while. Thanks for the specific references. I guess I didn't think it counted as third party use if they give me the money upfront. That is a different story then, if there is proof it was on her CC#, but it was for someone else, then that is a problem!
I can't imagine having to tell someone, go get a money order or cashier's check to pay for this. I have never had to do that with other direct sales companies. I wonder if they all are supposed to be like that? I always write checks straight to the consultant, and she puts the order in together for the whole class. I will check with a couple of my friends to see how they handle this.
Not because I am trying to bust anyone, just because I am curious how it all plays out.

norton_girl

Well this is why everyone wants to use their own cc because it takes longer to mail a money order therefore it takes longer to get paid commissions & bonuses for that consultant. These are Arbonne's policies & procedures not mine so when Mr. Morck found out that she had paid for 4 people at the tune of approx. $1,400.00/each & he couldn't see the problem. Anyway, he says that "stacking" is a mechanism by which people can advance in rank in a network marketing program through buying products & strategically placing the volume in the downline positions of others in their sales organization. Read what Arbonne defines as "stacking" sect.2 #2.8. Plus isn't that what she did with approx. $6,000.00 worth of orders????

annie frannie

Well, it certainly is easier to use one credit or debit card for a big order, but to me, getting paid on it quicker doesn't even figure in. I don't get a lot in overrides anyway, and they take over a month to get processed, so a week in the mail wouldn't affect it too much.
I can guarantee if I told someone they had to get a money order before I would order for them, they would not purchase something. I guess they could still write me a check, and I could go to the bank and get a money order for that amount and send it in, but if it is from a party with multiple orders, where they earn bonuses based on purchases all going in together, how would that work? I may have to call them and figure it out because I have a couple parties coming up.
I will be interested in what they say I should do, if it is in line with their policies or not.

norton_girl

A couple of months ago I called Arbonne and told them I had two people that wanted to become biz builders and purchase $2,000.00 worth of products a piece but they had no cc. The guy said do you have a cc & I said yes & he said you can just use yours & they can reimburse you. I said really that is not against policy & he said I don't think so let me get a supervisor. The supervisor got on the phone & said no it is not against policy--you can even use 2 diff. cards if you don't have enough credit one 1 of your cards. I said this is not considered frontloading and he said no. So I said you're telling me that if I have a cc w/a $20 thousand limit and I have 5 people who want to be biz builders (at $2,000/each) I can just charge them on my cc. He said yes. They don't even know their co.'s own policies & procedures.

Barbara

There is a huge difference between using your credit card but getting reimbursed by personal check or cash right then and using your credit card to start someone in the business and have them pay you back once they start making money.
I interpreted the policy and procedures for the second as against policy. I always accept checks or cash for payment, deposit them, and then use my 1 card to pay for everything. I haven't personally paid for anything, just used the convenience of one card. I think you are just confusing the policy.

norton_girl

If the policies and procedures say that using your cc to pay for, purchase merchandise for, sign up for is strictly prohibited then that means it is not suppose to happen....I have confused nothing, only exposed what everyone esle is doing which is against policies. That's all. You may do that but if you read you manual you will clearly see that if is a vilation. Amazing!!!!

norton_girl

Also the manual says that no one shall give anyone financial assistance to become an Arbone consultant. I call giving someone a loan to be paid back later---assistance.

KD

Okay, maybe I'm alone on this one.
The only people I know who don't have credit cards are people who either 1. have bad credit or 2. don't make much money. And there are those who don't like using credit cards because they like to pay in cash or check to keep their spending down. But if someone is intelligent enough to do this, I would assume they are also intelligent enough to have a cc in case of an emergency. So if you have someone you are recruiting and they say "I don't have a credit card", WHY would you want to recruit them? Seems to me no credit card=no money=wrong person to recruit.
Just my opinion.

Lori

I really dont see an issue here. When I sell Avon to a customer, they pay me ,I then deposit it to my account. When the bill is due I pay with MY debit/cc. How could that be against any policy. I could see if I were to buy them in as you say. Then tell them to pay me when they can....well thats just stupid. If you have no money to pay me then and there its no deal. I never use credit cards. I dont have bad credit and I'm not broke. Just very smart!

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