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March 26, 2006

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JJ

There is but one truth. More than one would negate them all. There is not my truth and your truth and the guy down the streets truth. There is only one. Many times people use the mutltiple truth argument in an attempt to make what they want to be true into "their truth". It still doesn't make it true. When someone uses that argument as Barbara did it shows how little they understand about the real truth. If truth was relative to the individual and the situation, what good would it be? Love ya cat!! [JJ]

Barbara Brown

Yes, there is your truth, my truth, and the guy down the street's truth. Arbonne has been a wonderful experience for me - MY truth. JJ had an aweful experience with arbonne and what it did to his relationship - HIS truth. I would never question your feelings about what happened to you and question your credibility. Why do you do it to others?

Cat

Barbara, Thank you for your comments. I'm not sure I follow your reasoning about how there can be more than one truth, but I appreciate your contribution to the debate. Cat

Cat

Barbara, I didn't comment on the credibility question.....I'm not questioning the credibility of others' feelings. That question confuses me. I will definitely answer if you would like to explain more. Cat

bunsen

I think Barbara, being the insightful, bright woman that she is, meant her experience, her own transcendent and fundemental spiritual reality. Because isn't arbonne about your spiritual state too?

(chokes on cola).

As I was saying, there are multiple definitions of truth and Barbara here has simply liberally interpreted truth to fit her purposes.

There's nothing wrong with that, is there Barabara?

Barbara Brown

Cat, it was another poster who questioned my credibility. Is the debate about Arbonne, or the definition of truth??? And now it is a spiritual journey??? Again, I will try to break it down... my experience with arbonne has been great. MY TRUTH. Other people have had different experiences with arbonne. THEIR TRUTH. I will not question their experience or belittle them with words b/c my experience has been different.
And Bunsen, I will take the "insightful, bright woman" as a compliment because I can't imagine it meaning anything different since you have never even met me.

Barbara Brown

Cat, after reading over your other post, you did question my credibility. Anyone with arbonne you would have to question their credibility?
To question someones credibility is to call them a liar.

Barbara Brown

Just for the record, the LIST OF AILMENTS FROM ARBONNE INFORMATION PACKET document was put together by an independent consultant. I don't want anyone thinking Arbonne gives us that to pass out.

JJ

This is the truth.

In order to truly succeed (if that's what you want to call it) at arbonne you must recruit. It is not required, but it is necessary. The more you recruit, the more money you make off your recruits. Yeah, I know, you don't get paid anything to recruit them BUT you do get paid from their sales and the recruits under them. That makes it a PYRAMID. That's true. Here is a little opinion thrown in...PYRAMIDS ARE SCAMS.

In order for the top 10% or so of any mlm, Arbonne included, to make money the bottom MUST LOSE MONEY. It is the money generated by selling the dream (the lie) to unsuspecting "recruits" that pays those who are "successful" in arbonne. The ones like Barbara who are having a wonderful experience or whatever she spewed. That is true.

In order to have any success in the recruiting process you cannot reveal the reality of arbonne. The fact that only a small percentage ever make any money and most drop out within a year after losing money. You must DECEIVE in order to recruit and you must recruit to be "successful". That is TRUE!!

So you see Barbara, there is only one truth. If you claim that these things are not true, well, that doesn't make them not true, it makes you either dumb or dishonest......or both!

Cat

Barbara, Yes, as I said, I would question the credibility of those affiliated with Arbonne. And yes, when you pass on a lie, that makes you a liar. Arbonne represents a lie; therefore, if you pass on the "opportunity", you pass on the lie.


Cat

JJ, what can I say, I just love ya! Your insight is welcomed and appreciated.

Bunson, LOL! Glad you are here!

Barbara Brown

Unbelievable. To those who are looking into Arbonne, I will respond to you. The child inside of me would like to respond the same way to being called a liar, dishonest, and dumb...

Those searching can take the "truth" from them that call people names and judge their character w/o knowing them or take it from the experiences of the individual. I stand by my arbonne business 100%. I do not lie, cheat, or steal to promote myself ahead. Yes, I make an override profit from those under me on their sales. I have taken the time to train my downline on the products. I have spent hours with them preparing for their parties and putting the orders in. I have loaned them my products for use so they could have something to show to earn their own product. So, I see nothing dishonest about making an override on their sales. I guess anyone who makes a profit on someone elses effort or work is a liar and dishonest? Before I had children and moved all over the country with my military husband, (and yes, I will play the military card. My husband spent 1/2 a year in Iraq while I stayed here and raised my 2 daughters. I do not want to place them in daycare, so I looked for something I could do from home. My aunt was raving about these products that helped her skin after 30 years with psiorsis. She is not a consultant nor is she trying to make money by selling arbonne. She simply loved the results from the products. I used them. I loved them. I decided to sell them. Now I am being called a liar for that decision.) Before having children, I worked 9-5 at a law office. My effort and work made a profit for my boss. Is that wrong? Is that dishonest? I worked at a retail store before also. I sold the clothes for x amount. I made a commission on x amount, and the owner got the rest. Is this unethical? If one of my recruits works harder than me, they can pass me by. That is honest.
I tell all of my recruits that it is work to make a profit. You have to sell. I do not dangle the car keys in front of their eyes, or have them buy into the dream of making it rich. This is crap to me and it makes my skin crawl. I know there are consultants out there doing this, and it is wrong. Period. But there are unethical people in all walks of life. So, for those looking into the arbonne opportunity, it is like any other job. It takes work and effort. You sell a product, and make a profit. If you find someone who wants to sell the product also, you train them, and then also make a profit off of what they sell. Many people are successful in their arbonne business. I guess it depends on how you define success. I have said before, but some people define success as getting the mercedes. I define it as bringing in extra money every month to help alleviate some of the financial burdens of a single family income. I can pay the car payment, with some extra money left over to have fun with. To me, that is a success.
Now, for those that would like to call me ugly and say your daddy can beat up my daddy, go ahead if it makes you feel better. But what you should do is move on with your life and get over the bitterness from your arbonne experience. If you have facts, than bring them. If all you can do is call someone names and insult them, go to a therapist.

JJ

Barbara, this is the part where you give up and run away.

Barbara Brown

Actually, no I won't. But I do want to apologize for saying those who dislike arbonne need to see a therapist. Darn conscience!! You think words have that much power?? Palease. Arbonne rules! Good night. Going to put my girls to bed after I give them there bath with the arbonne baby products.

Cat

Barbara, One of my favorite attributes in a person is honesty. Get mad, get nasty and say what you want to say. This site is not for the faint of heart and I wouldn't want it any other way. Another favorite attribute is passion. Don't apologize for what you say in the heat of passion. Something about Arbonne excites a passion in you and though I find that passion misguided I certainly don't discount it. Cat

JJ

What's up with these BB's? She reminds me of another BB we all know. Our buddy Butterflybeliever. Night all.

planetkabalm

Wow JJ, She just doesnt get it huh?
I find this soooo fascinating from a psychological point of view. Emotion-Driven Programming. I'm going to try it out on my kids.

Cat

LOL!!! Planetkabalm, the human mind is definitely fascinating!

Darla

Well this is the most intelligent post I've read about Arbonne in a while!


"This is the truth.

In order to truly succeed (if that's what you want to call it) at arbonne you must recruit. It is not required, but it is necessary. The more you recruit, the more money you make off your recruits. Yeah, I know, you don't get paid anything to recruit them BUT you do get paid from their sales and the recruits under them. That makes it a PYRAMID. That's true. Here is a little opinion thrown in...PYRAMIDS ARE SCAMS.

In order for the top 10% or so of any mlm, Arbonne included, to make money the bottom MUST LOSE MONEY. It is the money generated by selling the dream (the lie) to unsuspecting "recruits" that pays those who are "successful" in arbonne. The ones like Barbara who are having a wonderful experience or whatever she spewed. That is true.

In order to have any success in the recruiting process you cannot reveal the reality of arbonne. The fact that only a small percentage ever make any money and most drop out within a year after losing money. You must DECEIVE in order to recruit and you must recruit to be "successful". That is TRUE!!

So you see Barbara, there is only one truth. If you claim that these things are not true, well, that doesn't make them not true, it makes you either dumb or dishonest......or both!"

Barbara Brown

And you call us robots that just repeat what we hear???????

pinkcadillac

The Arbonne RE9 Results Apporaoch is a pyramid scam.
You can dress it up however you want, but in the end, the people at the top of the pyramid are lying scammers, and the people at the bottom are losing money.
That is the facts; case closed.
Just because *some* people profit from these set-ups doesn't mean that they are good things!!!!!

Barbara Brown

Wow, for once I actually agree. I am in no way a supporter of the results approach (pushing people to buy 4-8 sets) and I have never mentioned that I was. I do support the idea of the results approach - by letting someone have a sample, they love the results, they by the products. Results.

JJ

So true. The fact that some profit, some have a "great experience" (Barbara), some drive a MB while so many others lose money because they have been lied to only proves that it is a BAD thing. If no one made any money at all it would just be a ridiculous thing.

Barbara Brown

O.k, JJ, careful. I have not lied to anyone or had my consultants lose money but spending crazy money to invest. Stop grouping us all into one pile. Not every consultant does the results approach.

Lori

Barbara,
He did not say YOU lied.He said you may have a great experience while OTHERS lose money because of being lied to.

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